ult_combo: ... Sat ... has been working for years adding all kinds of mods ... to prevent the constant attempts at script injection and all kinds of stealing admin access to the site. Most (if not all) of these security measures and usability addons wouldn't be compatible if he upgraded the board software so it'll take a good while until solving all security issues and creating new mods to replace the current ones, and without upgrading the board software there are just a lot of limitations, say, finding an advanced image recognition software ...
The challenge for you seems very clear, ult_combo, I want bother you for some time with peanuts like having to type "spoiler" ....
Thanks for all info, it's nice not only to know that you have to wait a while, but also to understand why
How could I forget my promise not to bother you again with these tiny "improvements" as long as great challenges are still to be met
My enthusiasm about the progress mentioned in the previous post must have been too large, I couldn't think straight for a moment. Thanks for your comments anyway:
ult_combo: Also, all the forum-modding suggestions first go through Sat and he's the one setting the priorities (at least 3 huge projects pending atm), so you may post the suggestions on LAH Voice.
When I have opinions which would go against others', I just don't suggest anything. Another guideline is, when it comes to existing functionality, if it's working as it is, don't change it. These 2 guidelines are mostly for your future suggestions, this way they may be implemented too.
I'll keep your guidelines in mind when my imagination pops up some silly things again. Moreover I'll try to use the LAH Voice in the future. But for now:
Please proceed with your efforts to bring the LAH software to the next level(s)
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Thanks. Don't worry much about the guidelines, as what is a guideline for me might be different for Sat, use common sense above all.
jacxxx: Please proceed with your efforts to bring the LAH software to the next level(s)
Alright.
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What has happened?
Help, please! (use quote to see that the code is the same for the two ordered lists above, of which the old one still works and the newer one doesn't)
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Just tested all links on your post jacxxx, they are working as intended in Opera 12 (the browser you're using atm, right?).
What's the problem with the links there? You can't click them? They go 404 (not found)? They redirect to another page? If you have any screenshot or info you'd judge useful, submit it and we will take a look.
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ult_combo: Just tested all links on your post jacxxx, they are working as intended in Opera 12 (the browser you're using atm, right?).
What's the problem with the links there? You can't click them? They go 404 (not found)? They redirect to another page? If you have any screenshot or info you'd judge useful, submit it and we will take a look.
The problem has disappeared now. I didn't have clickable links, just URL-codes; the list numbers did appear however as they should in preview. That all happened in chrome yesterday as well as in opera this morning. But as I said, everything now suddenly works again ...
edit: I'm now trying to reconstruct what I did yesterday,
behind the same PC with Chrome. On this PC I clear my history at the end, so I can use only my own memory now. I opened this post to edit it, and to reuse it for an index of another of Arancar's chapters. Right now I see ìt is "Last edited by jacxxx on Mon Jul 09, 2012 9:03 pm; edited 10 times in total". Perhaps the time is incorrect, I edited it last night, and it looks I didn't save the last edit (a.o. move the title to the text). So I do this now - preview this time doesn't show any problem, as it did last night - to check which date/time it will give ... It now gives "Last edited by jacxxx on Tue Jul 10, 2012 6:05 pm; edited 11 times in total" That's just one hour too early. Seeing yesterday that in my preview the white colored url-codes were visible before and after the list numbers - without showing any field which could be clicked (in fact: the url's looked exactly the same as in the edit mode, but the list numbers showed up as they should in preview), I looked at similar lists: this one and this one showed the same problem - also changing the place of [*] didn't matter. I thought I had saved such a change in one of them, but after all perhaps it was only in preview. They appear to have only been edited once to insert the index. Yesterday I also checked this old one - without list - and it still was ok. Then I quit the Arrancar works until this morning, when I made up the previous post. After posting the first part of the present post I checked a private message sent Sun Jul 08, 2012 11:57 pm to Arrancar and containing the list in the attachment, it showed up correct this morning!
It looks as if only some lists with links to Ar have been influenced around last Monday. A dedicated hacker who ran away by this alert? Idk!
edit2 Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:16 am:
in case it would happen again, I have overlooked this index until now. Everything's still working fine, it seems ...
I wonder what has been the cause. Most likely - it was my first thought and I still can't rule it out: an unsuccessful software change trial by Sat and Ult ...
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jacxxx: The problem has disappeared now. I didn't have clickable links, just URL-codes; the list numbers did appear however as they should in preview. That all happened in chrome yesterday as well as in opera this morning. But as I said, everything now suddenly works again ...
Yeah, Sat passed me the feedback alongside a sample of the faulty scenario after my post here.
jacxxx: edit: I'm now trying to reconstruct what I did yesterday, ...
I guess that won't be much of use as the issue was server-side.
jacxxx: It looks as if only some lists with links to Ar have been influenced around last Monday. A dedicated hacker who ran away by this alert? Idk!
I wouldn't worry that much. Thing is, Sat finished reviewing a HUGE security update which I submitted 2 months and half ago and it was just implemented yesterday. Apparently, the new security didn't like your link descriptions with line breaks inside of them. I quickly accommodated for that.
The change shouldn't be very noticeable to the end-users, as it's mostly just internal security.
Also, as a side note: On your next lists, you may as well try putting the links inside of the list items:
Code:
[*][url=address]description[/url]
Some of your lists are in this format:
Code:
[url=address][*]description[/url]
Which generates technically illegal markup, but our systems currently take care of accommodating it. Writing your future lists in the correct (first) manner might save you some trouble in the future though.
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ult_combo: Apparently, the new security didn't like your link descriptions with line breaks inside of them. I quickly accommodated for that. --> thanks very much for that, leaving the line break to the software often gives undesirable results!
The change shouldn't be very noticeable to the end-users, as it's mostly just internal security.
Also, as a side note: On your next lists, you may as well try putting the links inside of the list items --> ok!
It seems you also sent this post directly from mind to mind, Ult! This post [Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:17 am] crossed my last edit edit2 [Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:16 am] which I ended with "it was my first thought and I still can't rule it out: an unsuccessful software change trial by Sat and Ult ..."
But instead of "unsuccessful" I should apparently have written "successful"
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Yes, even though all additions are tested throughout, our small Quality Assurance team (just Sat and me for that project) is unable to test every possible case. So instead, we focus in making sure that it leaves no security breaches which could expose our users to malware and that there are no issues that could break/conflict with other parts of the system.
After the addon is judged safe and working, it's then implemented. As we have 100~150 active users during all times of the day, one hour of the implementation live in the server is equivalent to 6 days of Sat's or my testing. This is undoubtedly when users will find small bugs and report them to be fixed. As the addon has been already tested against virtually all exploits and is dimmed safe, user testing is extremely effective as shown by the number comparison above. One may say that users are used as "guinea pigs" in this case.
That was just an overview of how the QA and implementation part goes, but in fact, for this implementation, the line breaks' behavior was Status by Design¹. The initial implementation had line breaks dimmed as illegal as many exploits require line breaks in them to work. Obviously, there are already measures to prevent those exploits in place. Hence the line breaks exception was just an extra unneeded layer of security which changed the behavior of [url] and [magnet] tags slightly. I coded it there as an extra layer of security, but it was removed as it's unnecessary and the new code now behaves much more closely to the original system.
¹Status by Design: Indicates that the bug/feature/observation it is attached to is intentional.
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Programming is an art form, whose real value can only be appreciated by another versed in the same arcane art.
It's clearly a well prepared update, Ult, as a first part in the process of bringing the LAH software to the next level(s). I would like to be a guinea piggy again soon and test some of these new levels
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Oh yes, the next guinea pigs stage begins sooooooooooon enough.
Well, not really, as only the end-user interface is half-complete, but I'm sure you'll enjoy testing it once it's released.
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Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.
Measuring software productivity by lines of code is like measuring progress on an airplane by how much it weighs.
Programming is an art form, whose real value can only be appreciated by another versed in the same arcane art.
In the present guinea pigs stage I couldn't post screens 1, 2, 3 below discussed in this announcements post
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ult_combo: Our forum system doesn't support sub-spoilers. Btw you can also check how the BBCode tags will behave from the preview button.
I think it doesn't work because our current PHP BBCode filters/doesn't accept opening a repeated BBCode tag without closing it first. (example code below)
In other words, you can't open a spoiler inside another spoiler because our current PHP BBCode software automatically filters repeated unclosed tags.
Maybe Sat could take a look at that when implementing LAH's next PHP BBCode and add an exception for the spoiler tag?
Not that it is *EXTREMELY* needed, but it comes in handy in quite a few situations for maintaining long threads/posts organized.
I just ran across the following problem: in the Mystics Index - which I made in cooperation with Arrancar - I have to change every word "Mio" by "Mio " and similar for other characters in Ar's Mystics Saga. Of course this is easily done after copying the content into MSword, find and replace
Code:
"Mio" by "[color=#3F5168]Mio [/color]"
etcetera. Mio also has a profile, so I thought: why not find and replace at once
Code:
"Mio" by "[url=http://lah.li/forum/viewtopic.php?p=283367#283367][color=#3F5168]Mio[/color] [/url]"
Well, "Mio" occurs only within url's, e.g. in this list item:
in [b]test out[/b]
in [color=white]test out[/color]
[url=http://lah.li/forum/viewtopic.php?p=269334#269334]in test out[/url]
Adding "in " in the spoiler we see only the spoiler works, the rest doesn't - as was to be expected.
Q: why was it again that nesting is not supported? Security??
Wanted: allow a reasonable depth of nesting for every reasonable option, why not
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What you are trying to do is not nesting, it is crossing.
This is not only not supported in bbcode, but neither it is in any markup language, including HTML.
Also please note that this is still a test post thread and not your sandbox.
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Sat: What you are trying to do is not nesting, it is crossing.
What do you mean by "crossing"?
Sat: ... note that this is a test post thread and not your sandbox.
This forum is called "Help and test-post forum" and in my previous post I asked for help about a test post. Since to me "url in url ... " looks similar to "spoiler in spoiler in ... ", "color in color in ..." and "bold in bold in ..." I chose this thread. If you like I can start a new thread (my own sandbox) about this subject, with the same help question and the same test post
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Thanks. Don't worry much about the guidelines, as what is a guideline for me might be different for Sat, use common sense above all. 
Btw you can also check how the BBCode tags will behave from the preview button.
