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catboy_j
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The face is tiny nya? In what way? It Looks proportionate to me.
Also the big hair and shoulder pads you consistantly complain about. Big hair in what way nya? to me it looks like normal hair. I've drawn plenty of barbie doll esque figures or bald and naked as you put it. That's called practice. I wonder do you think you're perfect that you insist someone practice whenever they post the sum total of their practice yet I've yet to see you post those nya >> Like I said the drawing isn't that great and the neck is unintentionally large. But I drew this entire figure as a skeleton first. then I went over that and filled in the detail. so at one point this figure was also without hair or clothing.
Further more. The program I was using doesn't allow you to save it as png. I'm well aware you just save it as a file type and then just use another program to convert it nya. Now you're just insulting me. I said I saw no reason to do that when I was still toying around with it and it wasn't anything special. I pretty much live images and software surrounding them nya, but even so I'm not sure there's anyone who didn't figure you could do that.
And what program pray tell default saves something when you click save rather than brings up the save as menu the first time you try to save something nya...
And viewing over your recent uploads which contain a lot of the things I hate in art but appears to be your artistic style I'm not sure how much advice I should take from you nya.
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| Wed Jan 20, 2010 2:17 am |
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Sparkster
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When I say tiny face, I mean the area from the jaw forward, which is very small, especially for someone that's supposed to look loli, maybe it just looks small next to the neck and the hair but that's beside the point, it's the sort of thing you should lock down in the construction phase.
Big hair is exactly what I mean when I say big hair, go look in a mirror and take note of where your hairline is in relation to your scalp, it would probably be useful to learn to flow hair from a hairline as well (just look at the character in your sig and the way the hair all seemingly converges back toward one point and then kinks out at the ends).
Look, you want to be given advice but it's very hard to advise you on specifics when the main form is entirely gone, that's the point I keep trying to make, it's like trying to reverse engineer a spent shell.
Finally, if you know how to convert a file then just do it, it had to be more trouble to upload the image to a seperate site and hxx to it then to just skip through a menu and select a different option, and it's definitely a lot more trouble for the end user.
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| Wed Jan 20, 2010 2:57 am |
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Catboy, I would refrain from questioning someone else's drawing capabilities until you've successfully developed a style of your own. So far, you've only been able to pump out doodles that lack proper construction, proportion, and general organization. I can tell you're not drawing frames, you're not practicing normal human anatomy, and you're shooting down all advice that's given to you.
I may not be an artist, but I understand the conventions and I know when someone is only trying to further your skills. It only irks me when someone who is being so selfless is dragged around by his ass. Perhaps you should just try doing it the way he says.
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| Wed Jan 20, 2010 5:39 pm |
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catboy_j
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Well blue mage the reason I was questioning sparkster is because I personally don't like his art much. I think he feels he's better than he is, and I think he thinks I'm an idiot nya. He's done things like accuse me of lying, tell me obvious things repeatedly, and "Tiny face is tiny" is not constructive critisism.
And sparkster you have zero idea if it was easier for me to just upload it somewhere rather than change the format because I was receiving help from someone over msn and I use pidgin so it was already uploaded the first time and the second time I decided that since my computer lags all to fuck whenever a program has to open the damn windowed menu that it would be equally as easy to upload it once rather than go through that twice. Once to save it as a new file, another to upload it to LAH nya.
Additionally you repeatedly say the words big hair. *rolls eyes* for the love of god I structure the damn hair around the line of the skull. So you're just saying big head. But because I don't respond to you in all your godlyness you just repeat the words hair.
And now blue that you've also accused me of not drawing frames or practicing maybe I can get abc to tell you to both shut the fuck up as she's seen them. o.o
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| Wed Jan 20, 2010 10:50 pm |
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bluemage77
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Wow, that's a bit over-the-top. I wasn't trying to insult you, just trying to make you see that he's not purposefully berating you or even intentionally misleading you with comments such as "big hair." The hair you draw does happen to be larger than normal, as if it pops up in the back. If you're showing us the top of the head, it's not apparent.
Now if your claims of drawing the wire frames are true, then perhaps you should continue to practice with them. You yourself said the neck turned out larger than you intended, so you obviously need to get the proportions down before moving on to detail. And be sure to work on perspective so that the hair doesn't become a bother, as well.
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| Wed Jan 20, 2010 11:16 pm |
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This is what I get for trying to hold back on direct criticism, so take whatever you like from my 'obvious' advice.
1) as Bluemage pointed out, if you're doing the frames and they don't look right proportionately, don't move forward until they do.
2) I don't give a shit if you like my personal style or not, what I'm trying to tell you are extremely basic and fundamental things, the most important being that forcing a style is the worst thing you can do when you're learning.
all cartooning is a characature of reality, and you can't riff on something until you understand it without looking bad.
3) if your computer can't handle having 2 programs open at once, then the print screen key and crop tools are your friends, if on the other hand I actually read that correctly and it has problems when you open the menu rollouts then you really should either upgrade or run a malware check.
Just think about the end user when you make a decision like that, to see the picture he has to either drag over it and copy and paste it to a new tab or click it and have to put up with that wonderful windows error beep, then select the X's and replace them. As opposed to seeing a thumbnail a clicking it, do you really think everyone who looks at your thread wants to have to go through all that.
Always go the extra mile for your fans and/or viewers, take pride in your work, even if the item in question 'isn't anything special'.
4) If you're actually going to bitch about me recycling a meme when describing a problem rather than always sounding like a math teacher then you need to pull your head out. Also, to be honest, I'm sick of telling you obvious things repeatedly but when I see the same mistakes I have assume you're ignoring it or didn't 'get it' the last time.
If you choose to take this as insulting then that's your problem in a nutshell.
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| Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:41 am |
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catboy_j
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Wow recycling a meme is really helpful nya. *rolls eyes*
Phinneus and Ferb is hardly proprotional to reality. Additionally plenty of people have helped without being the condescending pricks you are. You have no business commenting on my computer because I was explaining that to me the two seemed to be exactly the same ammount of work while one was more accesible to people who DON'T go on LAH. OMG what I know people not off LAH go figure nya!
If you want me to upgrade, send me the damn money.
Additionally It isn't very hard to open a picture in a new tab via hxxp >> This is actually a very basic concept abound throughought this forum. And since it's a direct link either way there is really no extra work involved. Open it. I myself used to have something that automatically changed HXXP links to normal links but I didn't care enough to get it back when I changed OS.
You actually assumed I didn't know basic shit about saving a damn image. You've accused me of lying. So don't give me the BS about how you don't think I'm an idiot. Like I said plenty of people have the ability to be helpful without pricks ^^
Further more blueboy. as far as your earlier comment about not critisizing the art of someone who I'm not up to par with? Does that mean that it's ok for us inferior folk to say we like something but not say why we don't like something nya?
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| Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:12 pm |
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Seriously, at what fucking point did I accuse you of lying? I stated that you were seemingly shoving as much stuff as possible over your drawing in an attempt to compensate rather than even trying to get the base drawing right, and as far as I can tell based on the end results that's still true. But you'd rather throw a big wobbly over every other thing than deal with it.
I don't think you're an idiot, but I do think you're a terrible listener and debater.
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| Thu Jan 21, 2010 1:02 pm |
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I'm getting a terrible sense of déjà vu... yes, I recognize unfailing stubbornness when I see it. It's ok, I won't be bothering you about your drawings, anymore. Anything I say will just go straight over your head, anyway.
As a leaving note, though, you're allowed to criticize when your arguments are founded and reasonable. So far, you've only been expressing your extreme dislike for Sparkster's style that he, over the course of five years, has been developing. His earliest pieces look somewhat similar to yours, yet he took the advice that was given to him and can now apply himself properly.
Alright, that's all I'm willing to say, after that. Good luck, Sparkster.
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| Thu Jan 21, 2010 6:31 pm |
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catboy_j
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Actually sparkster multiple times you've accused me of not practicing or not working with frames when I said I have nya. If accusing someone of not doing something they're saying they're doing isn't calling them a liar, then what exactly is a liar?
And in a number of Sparksters current arts I see proportions that don't entirely lineup because they're based heavily in western style toonyness. So yes style is a somewhat legitimate complaint.
And blue. You've hardly said much about my drawings ever let alone actual advice except listen to sparkster >> So I don't really see how this is a loss nya.
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| Thu Jan 21, 2010 7:04 pm |
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I thought I'd weigh in on the matter. Let's say, hypothetically, somebody wanted to learn how to draw a horse. To do so, he goes about drawing from reference, copying photographs of horses and other drawings of horses, and hell, let's say the person heads on down to the ranch once a week to draw horses in action. He doesn't ever bother to learn any fundamentals of drawings, he just draws horses. Perhaps this person has been drawing horses for 15 years; if a trained artist, who has drawn a horse, perhaps a few times, and our horse-only artist were to sit down and draw a horse; the trained artist's horse would be of superior quality, because knowing how to draw in general is much more important than knowing how to do draw just one thing.
So, I say this to you, J. The only way to learn how to draw is to learn the fundamentals, to practice, then apply more advanced concepts over time. If you're just looking to learn how to replicate a certain anime variety, you might learn to do it fairly well over time; but you'll never be able to actually draw with deliberation. If that's all you really care to do, then by all means keep doing what you're doing, and if that makes you happy then more power to you. The only way to actually become a proficient artist to learn to draw, which is no small thing and requires much dedication, effort, and energy.
Frankly, it takes a lot of resolve to learn how to draw well and I don't think anyone on this forum, myself included, have reached the level of a trained illustrator, much less the rank of teacher. I don't think Sparkster's blurbs on "how to do draw frames" properly is really going to help you learn the fundamentals of drawings. There's a lot of technical mistakes with your drawing, and much of what Sparkster said is valid. Even if you are drawing a frame, it probably isn't accurate. It's possible to follow all of the advice given to you and still be in the wrong. No offense intended to Sparkster, but I think you'd agree with me that the ability to draw isn't something that can simply be read, digested, then reproduced immediately.
I wish I could be more helpful to you, but it's something you have to figure out for yourself. Don't expect results over night, and don't expect to improve greatly in one leap. For what it is, I think your picture is charming; but you'll likely forever stay in that zone of "charming" unless you learn the fundamentals of drawing. That's my two cents.
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| Fri Jan 22, 2010 1:59 am |
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Alright that's enough bickering. *draws a line*
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| Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:45 am |
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It might not be good enough for some people, but at least, It looks cute imo 
(Just trace a longer line for the bottom of the face and it'll look wider >_o)
The more you will draw, the easier you will apply Sparkster's advises. >_o
Keep doing your best Catboy, you are actually improving, just don't stop the machine!
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| Sat Jan 23, 2010 12:03 am |
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I don't want to start up the arguement again, but why should he use Sparksters advice? I feel an artist should work to the style that suits them best.
But anyway, the real point of this post is to ask something:
catboy_j:
But I'll be hapy to try my hand at you after I do blue boy.  Bwahahah! *evil kittyboy laugh*
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| Sat Jan 23, 2010 10:54 am |
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Electricus:
I don't want to start up the arguement again, but why should he use Sparksters advice?
Anyways, I'm looking forward for new cute pics from Catboy! 
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| Sat Jan 23, 2010 1:52 pm |
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