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Dark-Sama
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Catboy_j has a fairly distinctive style, I say. :o
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It's entirely obvious that you still aren't constructing your drawings and are just going straight for the finished product.
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| Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:08 am |
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bluemage77
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Somehow, I figured it would lead to this.
While it's true that Catboy's recent drawing does not show the result of careful step-taking, he may have actually tried to do it, so we should at least give him the benefit of the doubt. The only advice that can be rightfully given is to keep practicing with that specific method and improve to the point where further progression can be made.
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| Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:10 am |
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catboy_j
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Every time I trace it always comes out way better on the actual frame than it does the head itself nya? Is there a specific way to do it that's different from the body?
Rather I'm using pens and pencils or photoshop I always do it the same way. Lay down the frame in a different or lighter color, then i lighten it up via eraser or transparency, then using a pen or new layer I trace carefully over it. But my new lines are never as good as the frame nya.
*Trace carefully over the lines I want to keep anyways
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| Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:13 am |
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Jdash
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I'll disagree with Sparkster that the head is rounded like that, the skull is actually a very flat thing if you discard the nose, if you're going to use guidelines, you're better off using straight, parallel lines, or you'll gunk up the drawing, because it's key to keep the eyes, nose and mouth on parallel action lines.
The biggest thing I suggest you do is lower the eyes so that the base of the eye rests just slightly above the nose, then lower the hair just a bit as well; also, make the nose a smaller. I was trying to construct a little diddy, but my tablet and I aren't agreeing with each other right now.
As far as transference goes, I have a teacher that says to draw lines even on the final extremely lightly, just to make sure everything is right.
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| Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:32 am |
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There is a possibility that half the problem in your finishing is that you still think in terms of 'lines' rather than 'shapes', this distinction is a major reason I ceased using the word 'trace' and replaced it with 'cleanup' as it keeps the mental barrier clear that it's still the same process as the sketch, you just have some guides in place.
I'd really like to see some your sketches that you insist look so much better than the finished product.
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| Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:52 am |
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bluemage77
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I request this, as well. If we can take a look at your sketches and how you approach each of the steps, we can properly identify areas that need improvement. So far, I see it mainly as a dimension problem. If you can get the shape of the head right, the details will become second nature.
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| Tue Oct 27, 2009 4:44 am |
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catboy_j
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I did not say that specificially sparkster. But go ahead and look back through the thread at the pictures where I did and didn't use a frame to setup the head nya.
Anyways thank you for the help, In the mean time I'm practicing trying to get the skull frame right using both sparkster and J-dashes advice. If I continue having excess trouble I will try sketching up a frame specifically step by step and putting it up here since as you suggested that may help nya. But I have no scanner, no camera, almost everything I own is broken. So really right nwo my only way to put pictures ont he computer is Via tablet.
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| Thu Oct 29, 2009 9:36 am |
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catboy_j
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Ahem. This is something that is the result of a morning of practicing and tweaking things to ABCs constructive input nya.
She was very kind and helped me for hours. We stopped once I put on the basic coloring.
I think a lot could be improved. So far everyone thinks different things are great or awful about it nya. Some people like the mouth, some don't. Some think the ears/lack of are fine some don't. Some think the skin tones cute some don't like it against the hair (no one asks me to change the hair! Racists!)
Anyways I didn't think it was good enough to post. But ABC practically insisted nya.
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| Fri Jan 08, 2010 6:42 pm |
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Cute drawing , it shows everyone your improvement since your last post , keep working 
IMO you just have to add some shades and it will be fine . *thumb up
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| Fri Jan 08, 2010 7:57 pm |
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catboy_j
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xD I'm not so sure there's that much improvement nya. The face is to round, the body needs work, and the hair is odd. Thank you though. ^^ At the very least I learned some interesting techniques and dos/don'ts.
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| Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:37 pm |
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Fragnostic
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What do you work in, anyways? I might give out some techniques...
Also, nice work but you still have a shitload of improving before you can beat those
native japanese, and I'm sure you WILL take them on!
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| Fri Jan 08, 2010 11:06 pm |
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Definitely better.
One simple thing to note is that real eyes are inset from the brow and nose, so the far eye will always be closer to the appex of the nose in linear 2D terms, wheras you've got the opposite happening there, which is really odd looking.
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| Sat Jan 09, 2010 12:48 am |
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catboy_j
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I wanted to change the eyes, and facial structure, and the ear thing nya. But those are all things ABC insisted I keep the way they were. She likes his cuteness. I think something happened to her eye sight today. >>
But still she was incredibly helpful in improving some tecniques.
Also the program I use is incidentally a program she gave me.
It's called open canvas and it's like photoshop meets ms paint nya.
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| Sat Jan 09, 2010 4:31 am |
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Since French Fry insisted I post the last image I drew which I thought was pretty meh, I figured I should at least post something that's not totally hideous nya.
I fucked up on the shoulders, and it's not very a symetrical, and the arms need redone. All of that I may actually attempt to correct later >> But anyways my point is I think it's a better representation of my current skill level than the previous image nya. Tips on coloring and stuff are incredibly welcome. Also if I constructed the head better. Pretty much anything I didn't cover how bad it was would be an alright subject to offer advice on I guess....
Man this thread needs nerfed. Less images and more pages than most other artist threads nya =.= Shameful.
It's also inBitmap. Which LAH doesn't like. But I didn't want to bother converting it to ping. Cause I will probably fuck with it more first.
hxxp://img193.imageshack.us/img193/4223/thisshouldalsogetsaveda.png
Ok now here's the improved version... I most definately did not improve the shading or coloring.
hxxp://img36.imageshack.us/img36/4223/thisshouldalsogetsaveda.png
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| Tue Jan 19, 2010 10:50 pm |
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Tiny face is tiny. Honestly, you're starting to get into Lienfeldian proportions when your neck is almost wider than your jaw.
This is going to sound odd, but just try drawing some full body bald and naked people (no big hair, no shoulder pads, no cut offs) so that you can get proportion down, as oddities will become very obvious to you and will naturally become second nature to avoid.
Also, you don't need to ever 'convert' a file to a different file type, most programs will let you 'save as' and select a different one under the file name field, and if they don't, just open the file in a different program that does.
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