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jacxxx
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jacxxx: ... when you are editing your post after about 15 minutes the timer deletes your post Are you sure? ... I'm sure I lost my post, but not about the reason. At the time I was editting the predecessor of this post and at the same time I changed my profile. Having changed the profile the post was not there anymore.
So it was no big deal, we just have to watch out until the editing mode is back to normal.
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Thu Oct 24, 2013 6:49 pm |
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ult_combo
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Probably a greater force has removed it then. This feature has been throughout tested before implementation, but if you manage to reproduce the issue again let us know.
And yeah, I'm working on another three huge projects atm and though I do have time to code here, we are lacking staff to test, review and finish the concepts for the new system so things are going rather slow.
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Fri Oct 25, 2013 12:44 am |
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jacxxx
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Trying to reproduce it changing my avatar again, give me about 20 min...
edited 18:05 --> no problem?
well, I changed my profile again about 15 min after the first submit - adding the new link to Seven's post - and now I got the added screendump. It's the first time I saw this screen!
So I couldn't reproduce it that easily ...
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Sat Oct 26, 2013 4:32 pm |
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Yep, it is not easy to reproduce - in the testing environment, I just lower the timer from fifteen to zero minutes after making a post. You can also get the message by directly opening an URL such as http://lah.li/posting.php?mode=editpost&p=POSTID where POSTID is a post id corresponding to a post whose creation time < now - 900 seconds.
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Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.
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Sat Oct 26, 2013 6:54 pm |
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Does the MODs have a definite date when this new update will begin?
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Sat Feb 08, 2014 11:45 pm |
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The edit timer changes have already been done, they will take effect in the next planned update together with some new features.
In my previous status report I've ended up underestimating some core bindings' complexity -- something that I thought to be "good enough" was actually useless as the system turned out to be much more complex than I expected, thus taking a fair bit of time to get working properly.
Now I'm working on some secondary features which may or may not land on the next update (some mod/admin stuff, nothing that affects end-users directly) while I'm waiting for the testing team to report bugs on the main features, and for Sat to write the announcement.
So the ETA is around next Friday.
_________________ My main MF acc was suspended, use other mirrors until I re-up it all to a new host.
There is no knowledge that is not power.
Our only limitations are those we set up in our own minds.
Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.
Measuring software productivity by lines of code is like measuring progress on an airplane by how much it weighs.
Programming is an art form, whose real value can only be appreciated by another versed in the same arcane art. |
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Sun Feb 09, 2014 6:54 am |
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jacxxx
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Would be nice to get good old edit mode back.
Q: when you update, (or "downdate" as with removing the edit mode), does some kind of version code in lah.li change? I looked a bit at RULES AND FAQ, at LAH Wiki and at view-source:lah.li/index but found nothing.
Sometimes it may be useful to see the change notes. E.g. when you return to lah after a year or so, it's nice to see the list of changes which you can apply.
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Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:43 am |
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ult_combo
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A couple things to note:
jacxxx: (or "downdate" as with removing the edit mode) Well, it isn't actually being fully removed.
Right now, admins could disable the edit timer with the click of a button through the admin panel. We didn't disable it yet because we are implementing a better way to handle the issue which the edit timer is currently preventing.
The timer has been modified to serve another purpose after the update. As I've previously said, unlimited editing will be back. The other details will be revealed with the update.
jacxxx: does some kind of version code in lah.li change? I looked a bit at [...] and at view-source:lah.li/index but found nothing. Yeah, new features hardly come by without code changes.
Now, about view-source, I guess I'm not good explaining this to non-developers (but I'm sure you can figure out by googling some of the keywords):
Most Web Applications are divided in two parts: front-end and back-end.
The front-end is what the browser receives (HTML, CSS, JS, images), that is, the layout you're seeing right now, the text, the images, the dynamic behavior (e.g. when you click to view a spoiler or open the Quick Reply form). This is all part of the front-end and is exposed to the browser. View-source displays the raw data that was served to the browser, which was then rendered and interpreted into the page you're viewing.
And its distinct counterpart, the back-end, holds all the business logic. That includes how we validate user input/prevent hacking attempts, how we store and retrieve data (e.g. when you make a post), all the authentication rules (e.g. can the user view this page? Can he edit this post?), how to build the layout that will be served to the browser etc.
We can say that the back-end is the core of the application, holding all of its secrets. Needlessly to say, all of the back-end code is invisible to the user (unless a hacker manages to break in, that is). Of course, some changes in the back-end (e.g. edit timer) come bundled with front-end changes (the "Edit" button not appearing).
This is a simplistic overview, but I guess you could get an idea. And yeah, sadly (or not) the vast majority of my work (the most complex ones, at least) are invisible to the end-user.
The next update will bring quite a few front and back-end updates, in case you were wondering.
jacxxx: Sometimes it may be useful to see the change notes. E.g. when you return to lah after a year or so, it's nice to see the list of changes which you can apply. Yeah, we usually post major changes in the announcements section.
I've prepared the change notes to be posted alongside with this update's announcement already.
_________________ My main MF acc was suspended, use other mirrors until I re-up it all to a new host.
There is no knowledge that is not power.
Our only limitations are those we set up in our own minds.
Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.
Measuring software productivity by lines of code is like measuring progress on an airplane by how much it weighs.
Programming is an art form, whose real value can only be appreciated by another versed in the same arcane art. |
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Sun Feb 09, 2014 12:55 pm |
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jacxxx
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how could I forget the announcements
eh ... did you ever thought of editing an update/ upgrade announcement? E.g. in your last announcement about New URL's - which in itself was exciting enough for me! - some small but necessary changes followed the first announcement (as far as I understand it, in http://lah.li/26600/new-urls/?page=1#294353 you didn't mention the #294353 part - this was added later on?!)
Also minor changes in between two major changes can be communicated easily in edited form in the last major update.
When you conform to this new "business rule" you would improve the quality of the communication of software changes to simple end users like me.
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Mon Feb 10, 2014 1:41 pm |
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ult_combo
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Not sure if I understood what you meant, Jacxxx.
You mean the "#294353" in the end of the URL? It has been there since the update -- it is what makes the page scroll to the given when linking to specific posts. Without it, linking to specific posts wouldn't really work.
jacxxx: Also minor changes in between two major changes can be communicated easily in edited form in the last major update. Well, most people only read announcements once (and gravedigging/necromancing threads with different updates is not really nice) so yeah, we will communicate through a new announcement when meaningful changes are made, and batch up minor changes with the next announcement.
_________________ My main MF acc was suspended, use other mirrors until I re-up it all to a new host.
There is no knowledge that is not power.
Our only limitations are those we set up in our own minds.
Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.
Measuring software productivity by lines of code is like measuring progress on an airplane by how much it weighs.
Programming is an art form, whose real value can only be appreciated by another versed in the same arcane art. |
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Mon Feb 10, 2014 3:42 pm |
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jacxxx
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ult_combo: Not sure if I understood what you meant, Jacxxx. Due to shortage of time I was very unclear: I gave an example of how the previous Announcement (the OP http://lah.li/26600/new-urls/?page=1#294353 + following posts) are (mis)interpreted by an interested end user like me who returns to lah after a year or so.
ult_combo: You mean the "#294353" in the end of the URL? It has been there since the update -- it is what makes the page scroll to the given when linking to specific posts. Without it, linking to specific posts wouldn't really work. It would have been nice if you mentioned this in your OP, especially after the discussions which showed up with e.g. the presence of url's like http://lah.li/faq.php#14 and http://lah.li/download.php?id=3 .
ult_combo:
jacxxx: Also minor changes in between two major changes can be communicated easily in edited form in the last major update. Well, most people only read announcements once (and gravedigging/necromancing threads with different updates is not really nice) so yeah, we will communicate through a new announcement when meaningful changes are made, and batch up minor changes with the next announcement. Usually the OP differs from the following posts- more time and thinking has gone into that one - and quite often OP's are edited, announcing these edits at the last post of the thread. Nothing wrong with that i.m.o. - on the contrary, it shows you take your thread - defined by its OP - serious. Moreover, you can ensure that discussions remain OT by adjusting the OP to explain the implications which have been discussed.
But ofc. when you go on like you always did, it would be fine too ...
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Wed Feb 12, 2014 10:25 am |
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Sorry, I still have no idea what you are babbling about.
If there is a correction or improvement to one of my OPs, I'll surely edit it. As long as the edit is meaningful to the vast majority of readers, that is.
Individual misunderstandings are very well handled by the following posts in the discussion, there's no point to bother others to read it (unless the user decides to scroll down and read it themselves). Other things I see posted there are implementation details which do not concern any user nor staff as far as I can see.
The general foruming rule of thumb is: edits for fixing, new posts for posting new (on-topic) content. Of course there are exceptions to this rule (e.g. upload threads with index in the OP).
With that said, I'll not update a months-old thread (e.g. new URLs) with completely unrelated updates (e.g. attachment system update). Such a thing could go there in the form of patch notes if it was part of that specific update batch. Every announcement corresponds to a single update. This is the best to keep things on-topic, and for users to follow the updates (since post edits do not generate any kind of notification).
And also remember that what shall or shall not be disclosed relies primarily on the admins' discretion.
_________________ My main MF acc was suspended, use other mirrors until I re-up it all to a new host.
There is no knowledge that is not power.
Our only limitations are those we set up in our own minds.
Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.
Measuring software productivity by lines of code is like measuring progress on an airplane by how much it weighs.
Programming is an art form, whose real value can only be appreciated by another versed in the same arcane art. |
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Wed Feb 12, 2014 2:27 pm |
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jacxxx
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Thanks for your clear answer, it matches exactly my babbling questions in this edit button topic.
one comment: it may be true that post edits themselves do not generate any kind of notification,but when e.g. an index OP is changed the thread owner simply adds a relevant new post about this change to his thread
... now I'm really ready to see and apply Update Package 2014-01.0 you promised us
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Thu Feb 13, 2014 8:59 am |
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jacxxx: one comment: it may be true that post edits themselves do not generate any kind of notification,but when e.g. an index OP is changed the thread owner simply adds a relevant new post about this change to his thread Yeah, that is indeed the recommended action -- a new post not only notifies people that the OP has been edited, it also bumps the thread to the top of the forum listing and marks it as unread, but I guess you already knew that.
I'm checking up with Sat to make the preparations for the update atm.
_________________ My main MF acc was suspended, use other mirrors until I re-up it all to a new host.
There is no knowledge that is not power.
Our only limitations are those we set up in our own minds.
Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.
Measuring software productivity by lines of code is like measuring progress on an airplane by how much it weighs.
Programming is an art form, whose real value can only be appreciated by another versed in the same arcane art. |
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Thu Feb 13, 2014 9:50 am |
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jacxxx
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jacxxx: one comment: it may be true that post edits themselves do not generate any kind of notification,but when e.g. an index OP is changed the thread owner simply adds a relevant new post about this change to his thread Yeah, that is indeed the recommended action -- a new post not only notifies people that the OP has been edited, it also bumps the thread to the top of the forum listing and marks it as unread, but I guess you already knew that. It doesn't harm to see something clearly explained that I more or less unconsciously already knew.
And I just saw the edit buttons are back, and also wonderful layout changes in text and attachments shown,
hurray
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Fri Feb 14, 2014 2:46 pm |
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