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Electricus
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No, it's always been like this. It's just that normally people don't take it so far. There's no such thing as freedom of speech, either here or in the real world.

Thu Mar 20, 2008 4:28 pm Profile PM
Azrael
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Foton, I understand your dislike for what I did. However, the discussion was based on an article that's sole topic was cheese pizza. We have always, before and now, flat out deleted topics like that. I lacked the insight at the time to move it to our landfill; because of any valid discussion merit it might have had.

Also I do support the freedom of speech, in real life. however where as our hobby here is risky, and oft not legal around the world, sometimes discussions have to be suppressed for the greater good.


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Thu Mar 20, 2008 7:38 pm Profile PM
Electricus
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There are few words that put a chill in a man's soul more than 'for the greater good'.......

Thu Mar 20, 2008 7:46 pm Profile PM
Azrael
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inb4 v for vendetta right?


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Thu Mar 20, 2008 7:53 pm Profile PM
Electricus
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No, Hot Fuzz.

Thu Mar 20, 2008 8:13 pm Profile PM
pwet
Ruby Angel
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I was thinking Harry Potter :p
Besides I agree with Foton Surprised


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Thu Mar 20, 2008 8:50 pm Profile PM
kouhei
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Sorry I can't side with you on this one Foton and Pwet.

We let these discussions get way out of hand and the mods were just deleting the threads, they were not doing much to actually stop those types of threads from being created.

Since Sat went away LAH has been leaning more and more towards Flatchan Philosophy.

Bottom line is this. When Renchan imploded, users that posted topics on Renchan that are banned on LAH were asked to keep those posts elsewhere. So they collected at Flat. IMO as Flat's drama escallated, those posters wound up on LAH pasting the same types of topics we criticized Flatchan for.

LAH is NOT a democracy. There IS NOT free speach on LAH and there should not be. Lolicon travels a very thin line as far as what is legal we want to completely disassociate LAH from anything other than Lolicon, Shotacon, and Hentai.

If people want thier "freedom of speech" there are LOTS of places on the internet to speak thier mind. Conventionally, one does not start swearing and talking about porn at Christmas dinner with the family because it is inapropriate. You certainly should not record something like that even to view in private later. THe same applies to topics that are contrary to LAH's theme.

Want to talk about RL sexuality? Please do it on Skype or on other boards. It is completely inappropriate on LAH, and I fully support Az deleting any thread that is contrary to LAHs policies.

Want drama and RL sexuality discussions? Flatchan is that way ->


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Thu Mar 20, 2008 9:23 pm Profile PM
Zevs
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kouhei:
Since Sat went away LAH has been leaning more and more towards Flatchan Philosophy.

SO TRUE. Sat, come back! Crying or Very sad
Although, I never totally agreed with such strict anti-RL policy. It has it's ups and downs: the main down I see is that Renchan seemed to me like a more friendly open community, and the up is that LAH is (or at least was supposed to be) more creative and content-oriented.
Now that I look at it, it doesn't really seem like it's so.... LAH was fine before Sat too, say, on DK3, when Konoko was a mod, I still remember those hearty conversations, especially Aiko-chan.
Too keep LAH's current image we need either Sat back, or pick someone like Pleinaire as third admin.
I don't want to see LAH turning into a drama. Oo
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8:23 AM.. goodnight, nevermind me. xx


EDIT: What I was trying to say is that both ways are fine. Just don't argue over it. IMO. If someone insists on discussing RL stuff and doesn't want to do it elsewhere, then let's put Loli Island back, for example. I'm all for it! Smile


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Fri Mar 21, 2008 6:24 am Profile PM WWW
Azrael
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I'm really not sure what you guys are talking about. So we have one rampant discussion that my moderators weren't sure what to do with, and now we're flatchan incarnate, despite what you may think; sat has been here, he just isn't here to hold everyones hand all day.


This is getting a bit melodramatic, after discussing with sat, he agreed that my deletion of the topic was the right thing to do, he'll post his full opinion tomarrow however.

Also, any other discussions that may have lasted too long that broke our philosophy, are because despite our timezone spread we're not all able to be on 24/7. If you think a discussion is out of place, flag it.

Many of our moderators are very busy irl atm, Bastille is on Vacation, Foton has exams to deal with, Anyien can't be on 24/7 to clean up, Wolf isn't on much at all, and Akuma and Feather do what they can.

If it's been flagged and ignored, feel free to PM me, or one of the moderators about it, and discuss your concern.


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Fri Mar 21, 2008 10:33 am Profile PM
Firecracker
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I know what you mean, but thats a mod's fate...
I'm also an admin on another site, that's why I know what you're talking about


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Sat Mar 22, 2008 12:44 am Profile PM
Sat
Star Angel
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"Since Sat left" and whatnot:

- I am on lah about 4 days a week, which is, easily seen, still more than the half.
- I am with a direct SMS contact with Az, and whenever there is something, we discuss it thru
- Content even remotely mentioning you-know-what has always been removed from lah. Before, I have removed such posts immediately, so it's our fault that people even had time to reply to that thing

On the other side, content that is questionable should be kept in the archives, or, as already mentioned, the landfill.

Still. While I am away, Az is my official replacement and decides things around here. I am sure he didn't mean it. He falsely misinterpreted Foton's claims as "trying to keep the thread public".

If its something really stupid, please just remove it, but otherwise, lets use that landfill and then dispose of the stuff later.

Yours,

Sat


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Sat Mar 22, 2008 1:58 pm Profile PM WWW Skype
kouhei
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No one is questioning your ongoing commitment to LAH Sat, but lets be realistic. Your involvement, like mine and a few others is not the same this year as it was last year at around this time. Some of us were more active, others less.

I am not saying it's not LAH any more, I am saying that SOME (note a few) of the topics have been drifting more and more in an undesirable direction. I approve of Az adding the warning option now as before often questionable topics would get removed, but it was difficult to establish rational for a warning without it being spelled out clearly in the rules. This action gives the moderators more confidence in dealing with the tricky topics.

That was dealt with when Az made the recent announcement. I think it was good timing cause that kinda problem is a slipery slope. Alot of positive cosmetic changes have occured, and new features that are very cool. So on the whole I would say it has been a balance of goods and bad, but mostly good, and I don't think it hurts to point out that things are a little different now than when you had more time to devote to LAH Smile

Anyway... just giving my observation... I asked Az to discuss something with you but it was about 3 weeks before he got your approval citing that it was difficult to get ahold of you to discuss it.

BTW Az...been a month since I mentioned it to you Razz

Very Happy


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Mon Mar 24, 2008 1:54 am Profile PM
Foton
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So, I was back from my spring break, and I see this thread has spiraled down to this, very good.

I know I will gather flak from you, Kouhei, your experience and whatnot. To make things clear and simple, and to sum up what I feel from all this:

"The decision made to that thread is absolute and must be enforced. Even if I personally did not like the decision to the point of uselessly, futilely arguing against its deletion, I will stand by that said decision."

I can very well quote and trade arguments with you Kouhei, but I will not. Let's just close this thread, lock it down, pretend nothing ever happened...

or for the best, just delete this thread. I'm sure everybody will agree and everybody will be happy.

Satisfied now? I sure hope you all do. Have a nice day, LAH.


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Sat Mar 29, 2008 10:19 am Profile PM AIM YIM MSN
Sat
Star Angel
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I hope you've seen the new regulation about deleting threads, as well.
As for locking or whatever, go ahead.


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Sat Mar 29, 2008 10:02 pm Profile PM WWW Skype
zaldar
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Didn't see this thread but the island thread survived much longer than I expected it to *shrug* I miss that guy he was a great poster.


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Mon Mar 31, 2008 5:06 am Profile PM
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