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Sin13
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Hi all,
Long time lurker here (under a different username), let's see if we can change that.
First off, this is my first 3D loli project I've ever done (though I've got experience in designing in general), so don't be too harsh!  Still, it's of pretty decent quality if I say so myself.
There is a major issue to be toppled here though: I'm not sure the characters are anime, and I read the rules: no 3d non-anime loli. (And allthough that's sometimes obvious, I guess it's sometimes hard to define as well.) So I'm probably not going to really start on this project unless I get the OK from one of the moderators. I'm posting the "front" page of the story which has no explicit nudity or sexual content. So please don't ban me for this. (Oh, I've not completed much else at the moment though, just a couple of pics, but they do contain more revealing stuff .)
So, I guess there are 2 things I'd like to know: what do you think in general? And I'd like to hear from a moderator if I can post the entire series here, if not, I'm probably not gonna bother making them... but we'll see.
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Sin13
EDIT: Question answered. This story will not be continued, if I do continue to work on the story for the hell of it, I'll probably find somewhere else to put it, don't worry. Thank you all for your comments.
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| Fri May 11, 2007 3:13 pm |
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ojousama
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Well, two things.
1. The rules require 3D renderings to be of anime characters, I'm not sure what qualifies as anime or not since it in my opinion is a very vague concept that actually covers quite different drawing styles. I would let the admins be a judge of that. However I would guess anything that could be considered realistically looking is not anime.
2. You must not refer to the age of subjects, the specific text in the rules and faq section seems to refer to requests and discussions in posts only, but I would assume the same rule covers text in images as well.
That was just my $0.02 worth, the admins will let you know I'm sure.
About the 3D artwork:
The girls look very nice indeed , have you modeled them yourself? Texturing and materials seems very good but something is off with the lighting. For example the girl on the ground should cast a shadow, she seems almost to be floating on the surface. That is perhaps not so obvious for the girl standing up since she is standing in a area with generally darker shadows.
What tools are you using and what rendering engine? I'm just curious. I work mostly with 3D Studio MAX myself, but I'm not any good at character animation or modeling since I mostly work with non organic stuff, landscapes, architecture, mechanics etc.
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| Fri May 11, 2007 3:44 pm |
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Basically, Sat will have to say whether or not it's acceptable. The rule exists for various reasons, but I think the biggest one is that Sat thinks that 3D porn can be ugly. ;P And yeah, remove the ages. They're inappropriate.
But it looks good to me. clean and bright. ojou-sama knows more about 3d than I do, so he can cover you.
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| Fri May 11, 2007 4:04 pm |
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I like it, but I doubt it'd be allowed.
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| Fri May 11, 2007 4:17 pm |
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Sin13
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Thank you for replying!
ojousama:
1. The rules require 3D renderings to be of anime characters, I'm not sure what qualifies as anime or not since it in my opinion is a very vague concept that actually covers quite different drawing styles. I would let the admins be a judge of that. However I would guess anything that could be considered realistically looking is not anime.
2. You must not refer to the age of subjects, the specific text in the rules and faq section seems to refer to requests and discussions in posts only, but I would assume the same rule covers text in images as well.
My feelings exactly, but we'll have to wait what the admins say on 1 I suppose.
About 2.: Ok, I understand, but I've seen some of doujins posted (/ link to ) (translated or not) that either specify in which the grade the girl is in and sporadicly the exact age. I understand that they don't want discussions over ages and the lurking legal issues on the forum, but if it's really part of the story (I have complete profiles for both girls that appear before the story begins to make the story more engrossing)... Offcourse I can remove them, but I'd really rather not. (I'd feel censored... on a loli board!  ) Maybe just removing the ages from the frontpage, keep 'm in the profiles and not specifically talk about them in the story?
ojousama:
About the 3D artwork:
The girls look very nice indeed , have you modeled them yourself? Texturing and materials seems very good but something is off with the lighting. For example the girl on the ground should cast a shadow, she seems almost to be floating on the surface. That is perhaps not so obvious for the girl standing up since she is standing in a area with generally darker shadows.
What tools are you using and what rendering engine? I'm just curious. I work mostly with 3D Studio MAX myself, but I'm not any good at character animation or modeling since I mostly work with non organic stuff, landscapes, architecture, mechanics etc.
Thank you, and no, not from scratch, these are heavily based on works from Thorne. I did morph the body (especially the breasts ) and some adjustments to the face. Problem with most 3D amateur art out there is lighting though, you can ruin a perfect gem of a model in a second if the lighting isn't right.
About the shadows: Actually, this isn't the final render with full shadows (some though) etc. That's why you dont see the shadow. This render only takes a couple of minutes (at a much higher resolution, but then again, I do have the latest dual core and 2 gb memory, so that helps - allright, I'll stop boasting). I'll run my computer rendering an entire night once I finish the series to get the shadows right, etc.
Thanks once again for you reply.
Sin13
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| Fri May 11, 2007 4:19 pm |
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I'm interested in this story. If you're not allowed to publish here, perhaps we can trade privately?
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| Fri May 11, 2007 4:21 pm |
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Or do a thread at hxxp://2kochan.com/3D for all then.
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| Fri May 11, 2007 4:25 pm |
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Hello there.
I am afraid this is not allowed on lah. I understand you are not content with this, but these do not look anime enough to "pass". The ages are an issue as well, but they work inside the stories. It's mostly the ties to the real world that are the problem there, not fictional stories.
You are of course welcome to stay here with us and everything, or post some other renders that look more anime.
Feather, its not that I think "3d renders are ugly". I have some friends who make them, but I don't want this stuff here on lah.
Sincerely,
Sat
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| Fri May 11, 2007 4:26 pm |
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Sin13
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ojousama:
What tools are you using and what rendering engine? I'm just curious. I work mostly with 3D Studio MAX myself, but I'm not any good at character animation or modeling since I mostly work with non organic stuff, landscapes, architecture, mechanics etc.
Oh btw, I mainly use the dreaded Poser, it's far from perfect, but with some post editing in PhotoShop CS3 it can become pretty decent.
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| Fri May 11, 2007 4:26 pm |
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Sat:
I am afraid this is not allowed on lah. I understand you are not content with this, but these do not look anime enough to "pass". The ages are an issue as well, but they work inside the stories. It's mostly the ties to the real world that are the problem there, not fictional stories.
Well I removed the ages from the frontpage before I read your post, guess there won't be a follow up story anyway. I might disagree on the general rule of not allowing 3D non-anime loli, but I don't think it's my place, in fact, this is your place, so I understand and will not post (and probably create, but we'll see) any more of this story. I just might start making some true 3D anime loli though But I'm not sure if I would be as motivated  .
Sat:
You are of course welcome to stay here with us and everything, or post some other renders that look more anime.
I just might. Thank you for your reply anyway, and I'll try to stay active here.
-Sin13
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| Fri May 11, 2007 4:36 pm |
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Oh well to bad, I would really have liked seeing the what the finished renderings with complete lighting looked like. But i had a feeling Sat would not approve.
Hope you decide to stay anyway.
BTW: Can anyone point to any examples of 3D renderings that did get accepted by Sat to get an idea of what could pass as anime or not. You might say I have a special interest in 3D due to my line of work in RL
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| Fri May 11, 2007 4:43 pm |
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@Sat : My mistake. I presumed based on the convo over the Sims.
@Ojousama : Well, the Sims 2 passed. There is a 3D program that is specifically anime that I'm sure would work, although I don't recall the name. Really, I don't think there's much that has been posted to begin with.
@ Sin13 : There are other places to post such images, if that would motivate you to finish. lolicon-r.us comes to mind . . .
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| Fri May 11, 2007 4:52 pm |
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If you are good at modding poser files, there are some possibilities. I remember assembling the head of AnimeDoll on the body of Victoria, then ran it thru a cellshading filter. (It's really just color limiting, no magic there). By morphing it all a bit you might be able to create some pretty good loli stuff, and with victoria's body, the clothes meant for her should still work without too much modding, too.
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| Fri May 11, 2007 5:31 pm |
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That is somewhat surprising since Sims 2 is not exactly what I would consider anime style. But I suppose it might be said to have a general cartoonish look and feel.
I think this is mostly due to the game engine rendering and not so much the 3d models used or an artistic choice of the artists involved, real time engines generally have a much lower quality than software renderer's (But this is changing fast with the new generations of programmable rendering pipelines in hardware).
Perhaps the real rule is to avoid anything that could be claimed to approach photorealism (to good quality) or use a style that is clearly not based on anything RL.
I suppose maybe the same models that Sin13 used but rendered with for instance a nice cell shader (materials adjusted accordingly) and without any global illumination might be acceptable. That would give them an unmistakably cartoonist look. I do not have any good examples of cell shaded characters handy but this should demonstrate: hxxp://www.bluesfear.com/tutorials/3Dcellshading.php
Maybe Sat would care to comment?
EDIT: I see, Sat commented on it while I was writing my post
I cannot really see that you would need to change the mesh (like transplanting heads) since the effect from cell shading is quite dramatic. Unless of course the specific mesh models used are based on real humans or something (I'm not familiar with poser, perhaps it is?).
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| Fri May 11, 2007 5:40 pm |
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As I recall, Sat said that he considered Sims 2 as borderline anime. I think you're right that it's probably just that it's a cartoonie style.
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