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jacxxx
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An annoying little problem just occurred when I tried to upload a copy of the big version of hxxp://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=big&illust_id=29487054 in this post.

Trying to upload it, I get the message that http://lah.li/download.php?id=237269 has already been posted in http://lah.li/p/310301 . Trying to open http://lah.li/p/310301 - to see in which thread it has been posted and hopefully also to enjoy more attachments in that same post! - I got the message "The topic or post you requested does not exist". Trying to open the attachment http://lah.li/download.php?id=237269 itself I got "Sorry but you are not authorized to view or download this Attachment".

I decided to post the medium sized version of hxxp://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=big&illust_id=29487054 instead and for the time being to stop posting more big classic Psycho's Sad

EDIT:
strange enough the medium sized version has dissappeared too, when you now try to open the medium sized version above you get the message "The selected Attachment does not exist anymore".


I attach the medium sized version below in this edit so you can still see what we're talking about Rolling Eyes


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Thu May 22, 2014 8:22 am Profile PM
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As the latter message says, the original attachment is posted on a thread which has been moved to a moderator-only board. I'll request a review.


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ult_combo:
I'll request a review.
Thank you for the quick respons, I'll wait for the result.

ult_combo:
As the latter message says, the original attachment is posted on a thread which has been moved to a moderator-only board.
Ok, that explains the message "Sorry but you are not authorized to view or download this Attachment", I guessed it might be part of an EFM post.

The other message: "The topic or post you requested does not exist" remains confusing, it should have read "The topic or post you requested has been moved to a moderator-only board."?


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Thu May 22, 2014 12:54 pm Profile PM
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jacxxx:
The other message: "The topic or post you requested does not exist" remains confusing, it should have read "The topic or post you requested has been moved to a moderator-only board."?

Don´t really see why it should.

The member that have made the thread get that information, for everyone else that thread is dead. Saying that it doesn't exist or is in a staff section won´t really matter.


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Yeah, Anyien is right -- as far as regular users are concerned, there isn't much of a difference between deleted and removed from public view due to moderation reasons. Providing different messages for these would enable bots to data-mine thread IDs which they do not have access to.

Maybe it could display "The requested page is currently unavailable" instead of "does not exist", as it would be more accurate in regards to thread/post IDs which are removed, under moderation or not created yet. In the end, error messages' wording is not really high priority, there are lots of messages that could do with improvements at the moment.


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I disagree - it should show "does not exist", especially for legal reasons.


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mhm I hadn't thought of that use case. "Unavailable" in that context can be seen as a generic superset of non-existence, although the "currently" implies a sense of temporality. But yeah, it is better to be explicit on that case - things are either removed or not, and in a few cases may be de-removed.


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Thu May 22, 2014 11:21 pm Profile PM MSN Skype
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My confusion originally was only about the fact that - for a simple user like me - an attachment is always supposed to be attached to a post. So when I try to see an attachment and I see the message "Sorry but you are not authorized to view or download this Attachment" I guess it might be part of an EFM post, or some other post I may or may not be authorized to open. So, trying to open the mother-post of the attachment, the message: "The topic or post you requested does not exist" was confusing me, and it still does.

I hope that when the problems with the thread are solved, that the link to http://lah.li/p/310301 will be repaired - it still is present in my Psycho post just like imo very interesting links to other threads/posts.

................... holy moses, the toddlercon thread has been messed up, old links like in " my Psycho post " don't work anymore; yesterday it still was on page 76, now on 75 .........what a mess .................

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p.s. (quote rewritten for clarity):
jacxxx:
old links like http://lah.li/4815/toddlercon/?page=76#320708 don't work anymore
You should use the /p/POST_ID link format to link to specific posts, which you get by right-clicking the in the top-left of a given post and selecting Copy link. In your case that'd be http://lah.li/p/320708. Linking to a specific page in a thread is never future-proof, as thread merges and cleaning may change what is displayed on that thread page anytime.
Replacing http://lah.li/4815/toddlercon/?page=76#320708 --> http://lah.li/p/320708 ,
i.e. replacing 4815/toddlercon/?page=76# --> /p does work indeed Very Happy
Disadvantage: in http://lah.li/p/320708 you can't see that the post belongs to thread 4815 = toddlercon Crying or Very sad
Maybe the page number (76) could be left out when addressing http://lah.li/4815/toddlercon/?page=76#320708 Idea

EDIT2:
changing only http://lah.li/4815/toddlercon/?page=76#320708 --> http://lah.li/4815/toddlercon/?page=75#320708 should do as well. Preview --> yes it does, of course!

better idea than in EDIT1: software may look only at #320708 ?! Check later on -when I have more time - in old thread New URL's!


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Fri May 23, 2014 11:13 am Profile PM
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jacxxx:
I hope that when the problems with the thread are solved, that the link to http://lah.li/p/310301 will be repaired - it still is present in my Psycho post just like imo very interesting links to other threads/posts.

That "problem" was solved years ago, and it won´t come back even now.

jacxxx:
................... holy moses, the toddlercon thread has been messed up, old links like in " my Psycho post " don't work anymore; yesterday it still was on page 76, now on 75 .........what a mess .................

It´s not messed up, it was cleaned up.

Most of the images Faust posted did not belong in there, and 4 of the images you posted had already been posted by Faust so they were removed as well.


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Adding to what Anyien said,

jacxxx:
... that the link to http://lah.li/p/310301 will be repaired
That post no longer exists per se. It already does not exist for the general public, and once its attachments are relocated to another post (which then you will probably have access to) the post will be permanently deleted from the moderators board as well.

So yes, that post is already dead, and its attachments are under moderation until they are relocated.

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p.s. (quote rewritten for clarity):
jacxxx:
old links like http://lah.li/4815/toddlercon/?page=76#320708 don't work anymore
You should use the /p/POST_ID link format to link to specific posts, which you get by right-clicking the in the top-left of a given post and selecting Copy link. In your case that'd be http://lah.li/p/320708. Linking to a specific page in a thread is never future-proof, as thread merges and cleaning may change what is displayed on that thread page anytime.


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Fri May 23, 2014 3:49 pm Profile PM MSN Skype
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Thanks for your answers, it's much more clear now than before. But still I wonder ... the image hxxp://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=big&illust_id=29487054 = http://lah.li/download.php?id=237269 itself is perfectly harmless, why can't you set it free - e.g. by deleting this attachment in your database?

Shit happened a few months - not a few years - ago:

http://lah.li/p/310302 = Saturday Oct 05, 2013 00:53
http://lah.li/p/310300 = Saturday Oct 05, 2013 00:39

==> http://lah.li/p/310301 has been posted Saturday Oct 05, 2013 between 00:39 and 00:53

http://lah.li/download.php?id=237241 in http://lah.li/p/310245 = Friday Oct 04, 2013 16:54
http://lah.li/download.php?id=237242 does not exist anymore
http://lah.li/download.php?id=237243...82 not authorized; what's the matter with those attachments?
http://lah.li/download.php?id=237283 in http://lah.li/p/310304 = Saturday Oct 05, 2013 01:08

==> some shit happened between Friday Oct 04, 2013 16:54 and Saturday Oct 05, 2013 01:08

EDIT:
with shit I was thinking of virus, spam, ...; the dates of the shit itself may be way before (if the thread started long time ago) or after (when the mod detected it much later than the posts with 237243...82), but not later than Wednesday May 21, 2014 16:53 = http://lah.li/p/320708 = http://lah.li/4815/toddlercon/?page=75#320708 .


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jacxxx:
why can't you set it free - e.g. by deleting this attachment in your database?
We usually avoid deletion as that means loss of content. But you are right that having them indefinitely under moderation doesn't help either.

Most often, moderators don't intervene with another moderator's actions, unless there's something fundamentally wrong. I'm not sure how's Anyien's attachment relocation queue.

jacxxx:
http://lah.li/download.php?id=237243...82 not authorized; what's the matter with those attachments?
All of them (and a couple more) are under moderation, as you'd expect. All of them were posted by the same user in the same thread which is under moderation, just in case your detective skills couldn't figure out that bit.


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... just in case your detective skills couldn't figure out that bit.
I was only guessing (see also the sneaky edit in my previous post).

I guess cleaning up a messy thread - like the toddlercon thread was a while ago, every serious visitor must have seen that - consumes a lot of time and energy for one corrector. I think the following has been done before on lah: you can involve serious members (like me) to help sorting out things, these members probably like to do that where the mod becomes sick and tired working on it on his own Idea


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Wed May 28, 2014 9:01 am Profile PM
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Though I'm favor of more community participation in these matters, it doesn't quite fit in our current system yet. Anyien volunteers his time on these clean ups, and if we ever have too much moderation work (which is hardly the case), Sat may test and promote more users to modhood.


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Wed May 28, 2014 3:16 pm Profile PM MSN Skype
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jacxxx:
http://lah.li/download.php?id=237243 ...82 not authorized; what's the matter with those attachments?
All of them (and a couple more) are under moderation, as you'd expect. All of them were posted by the same user in the same thread which is under moderation, just in case your detective skills couldn't figure out that bit.
According to my last investigation the batch 237243...82 is under moderation not later than Wednesday May 21, 2014 16:53 (cf spoiler in http://lah.li/28612/problem-uploading-attachment/?page=1#320866 )

I have the same problem "Sorry but you are not authorized to view or download this Attachment" with http://lah.li/download.php?id=138831 which is the favorite pic of Tiny Angel leneette , see http://lah.li/582/loli-pic-you-find-the-hottest/?page=53#322049 . Attachments 138830 - 138826 don't exist anymore, but the funny pic http://lah.li/download.php?id=138825 posted in http://lah.li/13863/request-maggie-simpson/?page=1#230686 Saturday Sep 18, 2010 00:36 does. The next attachment http://lah.li/download.php?id=138832 turns out to be a cute Hit Girl, posted in http://lah.li/1154/alphabet-game/?page=65#230701 Saturday Sep 18, 2010 05:09. I'm interested in leneette's very hottest pic, posted to lah Saturday Sep 18, 2010 between 00:36 and 05:09, could this one too still be under moderation? If so, please demoderate!


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