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jacxxx:
That seems verry raw Embarassed
Far less raw and more applicable than any of your suggestions so far, though. Better leave this work to the U(I|X) teams as previously said.

jacxxx:
In this case I would have expected an error message like "nested too deep" Idea
Could add a scrollbar in that case as well, or simply not render the bbtags after a certain level. We currently do not throw errors for bbcode, much less we intend to throw errors for technically valid bbcode -- there is, currently, no nesting limitation for lists/quotes/spoilers. In case of invalid bbcode, we'd rather remove unmatched/misplaced tags in the output rather than throw errors (maybe show warnings in the editor to let users know why their tags are not rendered, in the future).

Now back to the nesting topic, seeing as most of those issues are not real world use cases -- e.g. only you can find them, under abnormal circumstances --, it is practically a complete waste of time and effort from our very limited & busy teams of voluntary contributors. In fact, the time that I spend here writing replies in this thread could have been spent working on the planned features and bug fixes which will benefit a far broader audience.

As I've said many times, the features which benefit the community take priority over corner cases that virtually never happen. If there's any kind of abuse which the system doesn't deal with, there are moderators to deal with it.

Seeing as the amount of medium-high priority tasks is technically infinite (accepted feature proposals / features implemented rate is > 1), it might also be worth clarifying that when something is labeled as "low priority", it means that it may be worked on with the same odds that a flying pink tyrannosaurus crosses a blue moon -- you can be hopeful that it will happen, but it will most likely take a while.


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ult_combo:
... when something is labeled as "low priority", it means that it may be worked on with the same odds that a flying pink tyrannosaurus crosses a blue moon -- you can be hopeful that it will happen, but it will most likely take a while.
I'm aware of that, thanks for your time anyway.

There may be some more visitors reading this low priority stuff - in http://lah.li/f/15-help-and-test-post-forum/?page=1 I see now 2393 views for this thread, I guess almost all of them are bots triggered by some code entered in a test above.

Another little test entered my toddler mind a few minutes ago: looking at the row of edit buttons appearing in the edit screen I guess we have three different block functions:


  • the first one is "Quote" (the fourth in the row)
    "quoted quote":
    the "Quote" with = "..."

  • Code:
    the 2nd one is "Code" (the 5th in the row)
    [code=""quoted code""]the "Code" with = "..."[/code]

  • the 3rd one is "Spoiler" (the last in the row)
    "quoted spoiler"
    the "Spoiler" with = "..."]


remarks:

  • the list item before the first [ code ] appears in preview after the first and before the quoted [ code ]
  • also, in preview the c. in the present list appears not in line with a. and b.
  • "quoted code" is not implemented
  • the spoiler lacks an orange eye catcher that make the quote and code so attractive
  • the logical order in the row might better be ..., [ quote ], [ code ], [ spoiler ], ... ?


The code of the numbered list of the 3 block functions is:
Code:
[list=1]
[*] [quote]the first one is "Quote" (the fourth in the row)[/quote]
     [quote=""quoted quote""]the "Quote" with = "..."[/quote]

[*] [ code]the 2nd one is "Code" (the 5th in the row)[ /code]
     [code=""quoted code""]the "Code" with = "..."[ /code]

[*] [spoiler]the 3rd one is "Spoiler" (the last in the row)[/spoiler]
     [spoiler=""quoted spoiler""]the "Spoiler" with = "..."][/spoiler]
[/list]

Embarassed sorry, this doesn't work today


mod edit: added some spaces in bbcode tags which were not supposed to be rendered.
p.s. You don't have to post your post's code, it is available when we quote or edit the post.


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also, in preview the c. in the present list appears not in line with a. and b.
They are right-aligned -- all the dots (".") are vertically aligned and the letters are right-aligned to it. That's a browser thing, not something we can easily change anyway.

jacxxx:
"quoted code" is not implemented
Yeah, there's no mention of code="" anywhere.

You're right that the code tag currently adds a nesting level, however no BB tags can be used inside of the code tag, so it is not one of those "infinitely nestable" tags.

I've been considering to replace these old code blocks with a proper code syntax highlighter for a while, but then again, I'm pretty much the only one who uses code blocks for actual code, so it'd be mostly just a waste of bandwidth for all other users to download syntax highlighting code...

jacxxx:
the spoiler lacks an orange eye catcher that make the quote and code so attractive
Might consider it for when we re-design the quote/spoiler to work with infinitely nestable levels.

jacxxx:
the logical order in the row might better be ...,
Not sure what's so logical about that order. Razz Well, the spoiler is in the last position as it was not a native phpbb bbcode tag, and there hasn't been any good reason to change its position so far -- better avoid unnecessary tiny changes that are mostly just annoying for people that are already used to using the editor as it is currently.

As for the rest of your post: I have no idea how you managed to break out of the post, but seems like you just found a mid-priority bug. Razz


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mod in the last two lines of my previous post above = http://lah.li/p/321988:
mod edit: added some spaces in bbcode tags which were not supposed to be rendered.
I wonder where you have put some spaces - I can't find any when looking in edit mode

Problem with layout of first list:

The first ordered list in my previous post numbering the three block functions (1. quote, 2.code, 3. spoiler) shows in its rendered form an obvious error: the number 2. shows up one line lower than it should.
I repeat this same list here to show it/check it
... I guess we have three different block functions:


  • the first one is "Quote" (the fourth in the row)
    "quoted quote":
    the "Quote" with = "..."

  • Code:
    the 2nd one is "Code" (the 5th in the row)
    [code=""quoted code""]the "Code" with = "..."[/code]

  • the 3rd one is "Spoiler" (the last in the row)
    "quoted spoiler"
    the "Spoiler" with = "..."]

Conclusion: the list number 2 doesn't get its correct position.


I submitted the previous post at first without the last (violet) code block. Looking at the resulting post I decided to edit the post to add the extra code block. In that way no one would have to check the code by quoting (or editing if you are a mod or me) to see that the item symbol [*] was placed one line higher than the number which shows up in the final result. Also it showed that the availability of [code="..."] would have been nice!
I add this same code here to see if the same error occurs as in my previous post
The code of the numbered list of the 3 block functions is:
Code:
[list=1]
[*] [quote]the first one is "Quote" (the fourth in the row)[/quote]
     [quote=""quoted quote""]the "Quote" with = "..."[/quote]

[*] [code]the 2nd one is "Code" (the 5th in the row)[/code]
     [code=""quoted code""]the "Code" with = "..."

[*]
the 3rd one is "Spoiler" (the last in the row)
"quoted spoiler"
the "Spoiler" with = "..."]
[/list]
[/code]

well, it seems a different error occurs now (the last time the code within the code block was rendered, not displayed; this time the first part of the code is displayed within the code block, the second part is rendered outside the code block). I don't know if the present error is mine or a little bug.

In the previous post the little bug became much bigger when I added the violet color. Adding it now ... nothing seems to happen when I press preview Smile


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jacxxx:
I wonder where you have put some spaces - I can't find any when looking in edit mode
Go to the edit mode again and Ctrl+F for opening square bracket followed by a space.

jacxxx:
2. shows up one line lower than it should.
Chrome bug.

jacxxx:
Also it showed that the availability of [code="..."] would have been nice!
For what use case? If code="" is ever implemented it will be for syntax highlighting, but that hardly concerns you nor any general use case.

jacxxx:
the last time the code within the code block was rendered, not displayed;
You had unbalanced code tags -- there were more opening tags than closing tags.

jacxxx:
this time the first part of the code is displayed within the code block, the second part is rendered outside the code block).
Unbalanced code tags again -- as [code=""] is not a valid code opening tag, the [/close] that follows it is interpreted as the closing tag for your actual (first-level) code tag. I'd suggest not nesting [/close] inside of code tags.

jacxxx:
In the previous post the little bug became much bigger when I added the violet color.
Not really the violet color tag's fault, but rather the code inside of it which was affected by the unclosed tags already present in your post before that.


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  • ult_combo:
    jacxxx:
    Also it showed that the availability of [code="..."] would have been nice!
    For what use case?
    Everyone would expect that you implement the same kind of functions in the same way; it will also prevent ict-toddlers like me making stupid time-consuming mistakes like -->
    ult_combo:
    Unbalanced code tags again -- as [code=""] is not a valid code opening tag, the [/close] that follows it is interpreted as the closing tag for your actual (first-level) code tag. I'd suggest not nesting [/close] inside of code tags.
    That was really very stupid of me. Sorry Embarassed Sweatdrop



  • ult_combo:
    jacxxx:
    In the previous post the little bug became much bigger when I added the violet color.
    Not really the violet color tag's fault, but rather the code inside of it which was affected by the unclosed tags already present in your post before that.
    The phenomenon of Breaking out of the Post occurred to me twice. The first time was more than three weeks ago when I was preparing the post http://lah.li/28321/problem-with-layout-of-lists/?page=3#321252 . At the same time I was editting the layout of the text in the spoiler of http://lah.li/2141/seven-story-of-csenge-prologue-2/?page=29#321194 : using different font sizes,, B, i, u and finally - originally Arrancar's idea of course - using the color of Csenge's hair (and mine). I remember that at first I colored only the content part (as in
    title
    content
    *), then I decided that coloring the complete spoiler (as in
    title
    content
    *) would be best --> looking at the preview result I got a shock: the calm Yuki Blue in my sig had suddenly become as Red as a Hungerian Angel! And the Lord knows what else was wrong. I posted it and saw that the final result looked even worse. What had I done Sweatdrop --> I deleted this edited version immediately, adjusted the layout of the previous edited version a bit better, and finished http://lah.li/28321/problem-with-layout-of-lists/?page=3#321252 . As I couldn't reproduce the bug later on, I never mentioned it until now.

_______________
* Wouldn't it be nice when - in the cases above - the word Expand itself would be colored red? As I remember in the old days the spoiler function had been implemented like that.


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jacxxx:
Everyone would expect that you implement the same kind of functions in the same way;
Each tag is distinct and serves a proper finality. Their implementation will be fit to better attend that finality.

jacxxx:
The phenomenon of Breaking out of the Post occurred to me twice. [...] the calm Yuki Blue in my sig had suddenly become as Red as a Hungerian Angel!
Yeah, it is possible to break out of the post bubble, but not out of your restricted post area (the post, signature and attachments area). I've prepared a fix soon after I've noticed it in your post, the fix will go live in the next update together with some visible changes which I'm working on at the moment and some other miscellaneous bug fixes.

jacxxx:
As I couldn't reproduce the bug later on, I never mentioned it until now.
Yeah, I'm a bit divided there -- it would be nice to know about these bugs, but you're right that reports of non-reproducible bugs are pretty much good for nothing. Well, nevertheless, we now know what causes that bug and its severity, and its fix is in the pipeline for the next update so no worries.

jacxxx:
* Wouldn't it be nice when - in the cases above - the word Expand itself would be colored red? As I remember in the old days the spoiler function had been implemented like that.
We'd rather preserve the visual identity of our buttons, keeping the same font-size and color as all the other buttons of the same kind.


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jacxxx:
As I couldn't reproduce the bug later on, I never mentioned it until now.
Yeah, I'm a bit divided there -- it would be nice to know about these bugs, but you're right that reports of non-reproducible bugs are pretty much good for nothing.
Looking back I think I've deleted the first appearance of the phenomenon too soon. I should have copied the content of the bugly post into a thread in the help- and test-forum, and add another post to it explaining in detail what was going on. It would have been much easier this way than trying to reproduce the phenomenon - nothing is more boring than trying to reproduce a bug, especially when it's a non-reproducible one Razz


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Yeah, copying a post which reproduces a bug is enough for our dev team to start tracking and hopefully fix the issue. Of course, there is no problem if you wish to contribute some of your time helping to track the bug yourself.


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ult_combo:
jacxxx:
2. shows up one line lower than it should.
Chrome bug.
Solved in your magnificent set of summer updates, thanks Very Happy


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Well yeah, working around browser bugs is part of the job, even more so when we are talking about the latest version of a major browser. It took a couple minutes to diagnose the issue, turns out it was a rather unusual Chrome rendering bug that could only be reproduced in a very specific scenario, that is, when a list item contained an obsolete centering technique applied to the table rendering algorithm followed by phrasing content. Here's the bug's test case.

The fact that code blocks were taking only 90% of the containing block's width has bothered for me a while. Those 5% width horizontal margins were a complete waste of layout space for no good reason, so I've extended the code blocks to take 100% of the containing block's width. This, of course, makes centering useless, so I've removed the obsolete centering code as well.

Hence, by removing obsolete code and slightly improving the code blocks layout, it even seems like the bug workaround was non-intentional. It is great to be able to fix things by removing bad code instead of adding more hacks to the code.

So, by removing one of the factors that were necessary to reproduce the rendering bug (obsolete center tag), no extra workarounds were necessary. It is also worth noting that the old code block layout (90% width, centered) could have been kept while still working around the bug, by simply replacing the obsolete centering technique with one more up to date (e.g. test case), but as I've decided to make better use of those 10% containing block width, centering would be useless and thus was removed.

When you've initially spotted the bug, I had planned to leave it until we rework the code block layout to no longer use table rendering (which would also have implicitly fixed this issue), but as all it took to fix was a line or two of code I've packaged it into the latest update batch.

This update batch was mostly a bunch of technically small things that have been building up for a while which I wanted to get off my list. For example, the speculative parsing optimization was pending on my list for a year or so. The fact that the buttons with orange "borders" were images was quite annoying, we couldn't easily add new buttons or fix existing ones' text without some arduous photoshopping work. Now those buttons are easier to read (bigger font), easier to click (more padding), neater (hover effect with transition), and now creating/editing their texts is as easy as typing in this message box.

There are, of course, still many bugs to be fixed and small improvements to be made, but now we should be able to focus on the bigger features in the near future, hopefully.


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The new buttons - in chrome - are amazing. Looking at your new buttons above your last post I decided to check if the yellow exclamation mark has also been changed functionally. It hasn't, so I entered "no" when asked whether I was sure to warn you or not. To my surprise an error message appeared that I repeat in the list below to show another (chrome?) issue:

  • Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /home/lahafter/lah.li/includes/template.php(127) : eval()'d code:1) in /home/lahafter/lah.li/includes/functions.php on line 1103
  • Code:
    Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /home/lahafter/lah.li/includes/template.php(127) : eval()'d code:1) in /home/lahafter/lah.li/includes/functions.php on line 1103

  • Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /home/lahafter/lah.li/includes/template.php(127) : eval()'d code:1) in /home/lahafter/lah.li/includes/functions.php on line 1103
  • Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /home/lahafter/lah.li/includes/template.php(127) : eval()'d code:1) in /home/lahafter/lah.li/includes/functions.php on line 1103
  • Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /home/lahafter/lah.li/includes/template.php(127) : eval()'d code:1) in /home/lahafter/lah.li/includes/functions.php on line 1103
  • Code:
    Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /home/lahafter/lah.li/includes/template.php(127) : eval()'d code:1) in /home/lahafter/lah.li/includes/functions.php on line 1103
  • Code:
    Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /home/lahafter/lah.li/includes/template.php(127) : eval()'d code:1) in /home/lahafter/lah.li/includes/functions.php on line 1103

  • Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /home/lahafter/lah.li/includes/template.php(127) : eval()'d code:1) in /home/lahafter/lah.li/includes/functions.php on line 1103
  • Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /home/lahafter/lah.li/includes/template.php(127) : eval()'d code:1) in /home/lahafter/lah.li/includes/functions.php on line 1103
  • Code:
    Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /home/lahafter/lah.li/includes/template.php(127) : eval()'d code:1) in /home/lahafter/lah.li/includes/functions.php on line 1103

The layout of the list itself shows that the item with [ code ][ /code ] (as displayed by chrome) looks different from the other items. E.g. the number 2 now seems to appear one line too high.


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The layout of the list itself shows that the item with [ code ][ /code ] (as displayed by chrome) looks different from the other items. E.g. the number 2 now seems to appear one line too high.
Yeah, the list item marker (bullet, number or alphabetic character) is supposed to be rendered in the same baseline as the first line of the content. As the code tag's current template is rendered as a table, the baseline is not what you'd usually expect. This should be automatically fixed when we redesign the code tags template. With the current template, it'd be possible to add some hackery to achieve this rendering, or even this rendering by using some arbitrary values, but imo it is not worth adding these hacks for such a rare use case which will be implicitly fixed when we update this template.

There are other, more important issues regarding the list item marker positioning, e.g. multi-line spoiler titles. I'm analyzing a possible fix, but I have to assert that this fix won't introduce new bugs, before I get to apply it.

As for the warning message, you should have been redirected back to the post which you clicked to report, but the redirect failed for some reason. I can't reproduce it on my development environment, so it doesn't seem to be a coding issue. Probably a server configuration issue. I'll start tracking this bug.


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ult_combo:
As for the warning message, you should have been redirected back to the post which you clicked to report, but the redirect failed for some reason.
the red ! does work as you describe above for the yellow !
So I'd say ... check the differences Razz


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I've already prepared a fix for that soon after my previous post. I'll fix the spoiler baseline inconsistencies before deploying these fixes.

Edit: the update has been rolled out. Cancelling a warn confirmation now redirects correctly. Fixed spoilers' baseline (used to be noticeable mostly with multiline spoiler titles inside list items). Spoilers containing small content will only take as much space as necessary now -- this one is easier to explain with examples:

  • title line 1
    title line 2
    content whose natural intrinsic width is smaller than available width
    larger than current context width

    __________________________________________________________________
    Code:
    code tag test

    quote tag test
    overflow test

    ____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Should note that IE behaves slightly differently, spoilers always take the full available width as IE does not support the fit-content value. Having slightly different rendering is not a big issue anyway, as long as it remains perfectly usable.

Also, we shouldn't give this much thought as the quote, spoiler and code templates will most likely be refactored in the future, in order to provide smoother animations and perhaps even support infinite nesting.


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