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I have another small proposal. Feather Smilie

So, under pictures you can see some information. I think displaying picture resolution would be more useful (at least for me) than file size.

Displaying both would make that area too crowded.

What do you think?


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Well, personally I wouldn't consider removing the file size. It indicates to the user which images may load slower overall much better than resolution would, plus with the file size you usually have an idea of the image resolution/quality. Razz


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ult_combo:
Well, personally I wouldn't consider removing the file size. It indicates to the user which images may load slower overall much better than resolution would, plus with the file size you usually have an idea of the image resolution/quality. Razz
I will convince you! Razz Prepare yourself!

Resolution indicates the image quality better to the user than file size. Plus with the resolution you usually have an idea of the image's loading speed.

As I see the two keywords are quality and performance.

Resolution indicates quality better while file size does the loading speed. So it's a preference issue. (This is a rather common exchange in IT, isn't it? Smile)

My preference is quality.

I assume that the indication-of-file-size priority was set some years ago. Considering the general growth of internet BW and this table I think my preference coincides with the majority.


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Nowadays, most people use either .jpg or more rarely .png for pictures. .gifs are usually used when its animated.

Considering .jpg is the most used, the file size can indicate the overall quality and gives hint for the resolution.

That said, resolution is not that important as long as the picture is "big enough". And it's not really as you have a choice of resolution here or to another place. People posts what they find and aren't usually the one who made it, so if they can make it a bit smaller, they can't do much facing a pic that is too small.

When I see a pic that might be interesting to me under a post, all I care about is if it will be at least as good as what the preview hint and how long it will take to load when I open it. I don't care much about the resolution as long as it's big enough to see the details and not just a couple pixel more than the preview. The other size are either fine or I can resize them to a more comfortable size if needed.

A file size will always gives me a better idea of the time it will take to load a pic than would a resolution. Cause the same resolution for files in jpg, gif, png whatever can vary widely and so's the loading time.

Finally, having too much information below the pic preview is not necessary a good thing. I consider it's fine right now as we have all the important information already without it being too cramped.

TL DR : resolution doesn't matter much as we don't have much choice in the matter ; size matter because gives accurate information on loading time + hint to overall resolution.

Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:38 am Profile PM
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Resolution would also mean we will have to devote server and database resources into detecting and saving it.

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Okay Guise, I am convinced. Smile

Because Lunatsuki's argument based on the uncertain fact that "most people use either .jpg or more rarely .png", Crescent's technical argument convinced me. Didn't know that displaying resolution consumes more server resource than displaying the file size.


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Well look at it like this.
It is easy to query a filesize of a file that is already on your hard disk.
The filesize is already stored in the file table of your disk, so you do not have to open the file to know the size.

To calculate the dimensions, you have to actually open and read the file with a program that knows what kind of a file it is, and once you have loaded the file, you have to calculate the dimensions.
Not only would this allow to eg, crash the server with specially crafted files, it would require our system to open and load each and single file to calculate the resolution, based on the file format.

And do not even get me started on viruses or fake files.


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Yeah, it sounds quite logical. Thanks for the enlightenment!


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sometimes I use google chrome, although on my lahtop it's slow.
in this post I noted a software error which does not occur in opera: in the quotes the line up is wrong, see the screen in the attachment below

perhaps an effect of an anniversary update?


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Probably the other thing that happened sooner.


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I'd call it a Chrome bug. It is present in the current stable release, but not on my Canary nor Sat's Iron build. I'll probably look for an workaround when I'm home, even though odds are that Chrome bug will be fixed soon enough.

edit: Seems like .quote-text { vertical-align:baseline; } solves it for Chrome, I'll check if there are no side effects in other browsers when I'm home before patching this.


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ult_combo:
I'd call it a Chrome bug.
Q: Chrome is open source (?) --> you can find the bug in the source?


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^ Yes, it is open-source. However, the Chromium source (Chrome stable builds are based off Chromium now) contains hundreds of thousands of files. I'm not used to its structure/coding style, let alone the countless workarounds applied in the code for back-compat makes it nearly impossible to track anything. I also do not have Commit access to the main tree, meaning any change that I could possibly make would have to go through a long reviewing queue, and as already said, this bug appears to be already fixed in the main dev tree.

Therefore in web development, we usually make workarounds in our pages for browser issues instead of fixing a browser, because "fixing" a browser bug is usually a long and tiresome process, as fixing one thing can easily break/alter the functionality of another component that would break many pages in the web. This long process happens most often with Firefox, as I'm keeping up with 2 years+ old bugs on Bugzilla (Mozilla's bugtracker). Thankfully Chrome/Webkit currently has a much faster development and this particular bug is no longer present in the latest dev builds. Nevertheless, I'll test the workaround I posted above and check if it doesn't break safari/opera/ie6-10 and patch it, so the current issue will be fixed even if Chrome ever has a regression of this issue after this gets fixed in the stable branch.

edit: The bug should be fixed by now.


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ult_combo:
edit: The bug should be fixed by now.
Yeah, it's good now. Well done Ulty! Wink

Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:13 pm Profile PM
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yes, thanks for the workaround Ult, it looks better on my old lahtap too - see 1st attachment below. Comparing present and previous attachment you see not only the line up in the quotes has changed, but also ... (search the differences) ...
the first Arrow has moved to a new line. How about that?

Also thanks for your clear explanation about the Chromium source. With a couple of hundred thousand files to manage it seems to me that the developers have also developed tools with which to find such bugs easily?
And you are one of the testers of their newest canaries?

In your sig you mention less may be more using part of the quote
... Have you looked at a modern airplane? Have you followed from year to year the evolution of its lines? Have you ever thought, not only about the airplane but about whatever man builds, that all of man's industrial efforts, all his computations and calculations, all the nights spent over working draughts and blueprints, invariably culminate in the production of a thing whose sole and guiding principle is the ultimate principle of simplicity?

It is as if there were a natural law which ordained that to achieve this end, to refine the curve of a piece of furniture, or a ship's keel, or the fuselage of an airplane, until gradually it partakes of the elementary purity of the curve of a human breast or shoulder, there must be the experimentation of several generations of craftsmen. In anything at all, perfection is finally attained not when there is no longer anything to add, but when there is no longer anything to take away, when a body has been stripped down to its nakedness.
I hope Chrome will someday apply this principle, sometimes I think I'd better kill that browser - see 2nd attachment I saved yesterday starting this post Evil or Very Mad


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