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Sat
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Update:
Due to some weird readings we are getting with the boxes, there will soon be a one-time test of the box interface.

Upon visiting the site, you will be shown a box which will ask you to close it (using the X button).
You will not be able to interact with the site until you close this box.

This will be a one time-test and you will not have to do this every time you visit the site.
The duration of the test will be one day. After this period, the box will not be shown anymore, even to people who have not taken part in the test.

Just telling you guys beforehand so you don't freak out Razz


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Little Angel 3 Keep it Up!

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If anyone wonders who had that idea, you guessed it right. Razz

Didn't expect Sat to take it seriously at first, but yeah 1-day test will suffice. Well back to working on dat modal bawx.


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ult_combo:
jacxxx:
It's not important, but my starting screen has become a bit clumsy.
It used to be like screen 1 Very Happy, but now it is screen 2 Crying or Very sad
Allow cookies and the problem will be gone. Razz
I know - but I don't think it's necessary. Fortunately my starting screen - screen 4 - was better today Surprised
The white border for the newest notification looks good, (could be a white shadowy 3d border); about the text: what date will be tomorrow Question

Have a successful testing day (today?) Exclamation


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Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:46 am Profile PM
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jacxxx:
I know - but I don't think it's necessary. Fortunately my starting screen - screen 4 - was better today Surprised
The white border for the newest notification looks good, (could be a white shadowy 3d border); about the text: what date will be tomorrow Question

Have a successful testing day (today?) Exclamation
Yes, the white border is an optional style which can be selected when creating/editing the boxes, which was designed to call more attention. These important boxes always appear at the top of the boxes pile.
A dark shadow (tinier than the screens I posted earlier) should be implemented with the next update.
"Tomorrow" refers to once I finish it and Sat has time to review and implement it. I'm about 90% done (still have to debug it on IE6 and test the new performance improvements), which means I'll be able to up it in a couple hours most likely. Sat is working and will probably be too tired to review it today, so "tomorrow" refers to tomorrow (in ~24 hours or a little less) I believe.

edit: fixed typo.


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Tue Sep 11, 2012 11:08 am Profile PM MSN Skype
Sat
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The test has started and will run for exactly one day starting with now.
If you have any feedback or was NOT shown the box, please post here!


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Sat, Tue Sep 11, 2012 4:58 pm:
The test has started and will run for exactly one day starting with now.
After logging in I just saw a really eye-catching notification box in the middle of the screen which vanished after clicking its x button. I guess every member will see this from Sep 11, 2012 4:58 pm until Sep 12, 2012 4:58 pm (GMT+1), asking himself - just like me - what you could possibly learn from it ...

Because you directed me to look at the date and time of your post, I noticed a peculiarity with the date and time of the post above yours. I mean this post --> http://littleangelshentai.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=281695#281695 where Ult predicts that "tomorrow" would start in a few hours and which - according to my screen - he posted exactly at Tue Sep 11, 2012 12:08 pm --> at a later time than your message of Tue Sep 11, 2012 4:58 pm Surprised How about that? A long time ago I learned that am and pm is an abbreviation of before and after midday, so the day starts right after the previous midnight and goes through 0:01 am --> 11:59 am --> midday --> 0:01 pm --> 11:59 pm to midnight (see e.g. hxxp://www.mathsisfun.com/time.html )

Well, let's hope your test will work out fine, and perhaps - next time - you can be more clear about your planning dates and times ...

PS: having posted it I see the date and time of this post on my screen is Wed Sep 12, 2012 9Feather Neko 24 am (GMT + 1 Hour). It might well be that your screen shows different dates/times ...


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Wed Sep 12, 2012 8:34 am Profile PM
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[...] he posted exactly at Tue Sep 11, 2012 12:08 pm --> at a later time than your message of Tue Sep 11, 2012 4:58 pm Surprised How about that? [...]
In the AM/PM time format, there is no "0" hours. Zero is represented by 12.

jacxxx:
[...]so the day starts right after the previous midnight and goes through 0:01 am --> 11:59 am --> midday --> 0:01 pm --> 11:59 pm to midnight (see e.g. hxxp://www.mathsisfun.com/time.html )[...]
That's a slightly wrong (and rather common) assumption for those who are used to the 24 hours time format.
As I stated before, AM time goes from 12:00AM (midnight) to 11:59AM, PM goes from 12:00PM (midday) to 11:59PM.
Also, taking a look at the page you linked, there is a very practical example:
hxxp://www.mathsisfun.com/time.html:
Converting AM/PM to 24 Hour Clock
For the first hour of the day (12 Midnight to 12:59 AM), subtract 12 Hours
......Examples: 12 Midnight = 0:00, 12:35 AM = 0: 35 (added some spaces to don't trigger the Feather Neko 2 emote)

From 1:00 AM to 12:59 PM, no change
......Examples: 11:20 AM = 11:20, 12:30 PM = 12: 30

From 1:00 PM to 11:59 PM, add 12 Hours
......Examples: 4:45 PM = 16:45, 11:50 PM = 23:50
It seems a little illogical at first, but makes sense when you compare it to an analog clock which has numbers from 1 to 12 only. For example: 15 past midday displays as 12:15 in an analog clock and is noon, therefore 15 past midday is 12:15PM.

jacxxx:
Well, let's hope your test will work out fine, and perhaps - next time - you can be more clear about your planning dates and times ...
I wouldn't reply this as it's most related to Sat, but I'll list a few points:
  • Sat has made the modal heads up post when I was barely starting the concept of the modal boxes.

  • We're not paid to do this. The donations go to keeping the server up, and my work is completely voluntary.

  • We have lives. Sat has a lot of work, I have university, and both of us have much more to do than writing and reviewing code 24/7.

  • The "heads up" post was just to warn people that there would be a modal box. He could've posted nothing about it and just made the modal. Instead, he gave some insight that soon (which I complemented with "in approximately one day") would be a modal test. Next time we may as well not give any heads up.

  • I know that a good part of your small time accuracy complaint was due to your misleading prior knowledge about AM/PM times, but I'm just making these points for future reference in any work related to LAH (yes, I may link and quote this when necessary).

  • Lastly, ETAs are NEVER definitive. Even if I say "tomorrow", if in the last hour we find a security hole or a bug in the interface, the update will be delayed until everything is working as intended even if it takes a week, a month or more to fix.

edit: And just one more detail, Sat wrote "tomorrow" in the box at the same as he made the heads up post here, which was precisely 23 hours and 44 minutes before the start of the modal box test. I don't see how you want it to be any more accurate. The only inaccurate data was my "plus approximately 24 hours" as I delayed my work to make sure the modals would be fallback-able to IE6 with JS disabled, and filed the update very late when I assumed that Sat would have work all day. Incredibly, Sat managed to upload it just in time to fulfill the first ETA.

jacxxx:
PS: having posted it I see the date and time of this post on my screen is Wed Sep 12, 2012 9: 34 am (GMT + 1 Hour). It might well be that your screen shows different dates/times ...
Post dates are processed by the server solely in server time (UTC). They are then re-calculated to your selected time zone when you request to view a page.
I can assure you that there's no bug with one of the most basic aspects of the forum which hasn't suffered a single change in the last 7 years or so.


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ult_combo:
[*]Lastly, ETAs are NEVER definitive.
Hence the 'E'. Rolling Eyes

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True dat. Razz


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As already stated, the time-period between the first announcement and start was almost exactly 1 day.
The announcement box said "soon, probably tomorrow", while the post itself just said "soon".

@Everyone who took part in the test.
Thank you very much! We were able to collect valuable data that tells us a lot about the how the boxes work!

@Jacxxx


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I am glad that the test was successful. I clicked the X. Men, I never closed a message box with such enthusiasm.

Also, I learnt something new and "interesting" about 24h and AM/PM time systems. It was worth waking up today as well. Rolling Eyes


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I hope these n-boxes fit in a general planning towards the new lah-version? Of course I'm very glad some people are working hard (and I guess you enjoy doing it) on always trying to improve the software. In a previous post it just occurred to me that in writing "tomorrow" in a planning, every new day D that I open it, the planning says I have to wait for day D+1. That's why I asked to be more explicit. Well, I want do it again.

@sat: very nice picture , must be the guy who invented our am/pm format a long time ago ...


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jacxxx:
I hope these n-boxes fit in a general planning towards the new lah-version?
Yes, Sat wanted the Notification boxes to be the first of the series of visible improvements that we're planning.

But it depends on what you call "new version" - as far as it has been revealed, there's a project that will change how we store the downloadable files as well as how users download and possibly how they upload (hopefully most of this will be done automatically), but the project is still in concept phase and, being busy as we are, it should take a good while until it comes to the live server.

Secondly I've been pushing the idea of upgrading how you upload images to image threads, but I didn't present anything concrete yet as a new system would have to go through our harsh security modules and require many modifications, hence it's secondary to the first project (which will take a long while to be finished).

Also, we've been considering optional theme changes, but that's third to all the above and not really in the importance graph atm.

If you ask me, the forum software is pretty damn good for a Forum. Sure we could implement some real-time updates and such, but we have to see where it is actually needed to don't become just a waste of server resources. Suggestions are always welcome.


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